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L&rsquo;ADN prouve que Joe Hart et Jimmy Harte sont cousins : peut-\u00eatre \u00e0 dix g\u00e9n\u00e9rations de distance"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-one-full fusion-column-first fusion-column-last\" style=\"--awb-padding-right:8%;--awb-padding-left:8%;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-margin-top:0px;--awb-margin-bottom:0px;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-flex-column-wrapper-legacy\"><div class=\"fusion-video fusion-vimeo fusion-aligncenter\" style=\"--awb-max-width:600px;--awb-max-height:350px;--awb-width:100%;\"><div class=\"video-shortcode\"><div class=\"fluid-width-video-wrapper\" style=\"padding-top:58.33%;\" ><iframe title=\"Vimeo video player 1\" src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/512267002?autoplay=0&amp;autopause=0\" width=\"600\" height=\"350\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; fullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:40px;margin-bottom:40px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-double sep-dotted\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#005b8c;border-color:#005b8c;border-top-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-two\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom:15px;--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h2 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.36;\">L&rsquo;ADN prouve que Joe Hart et Jimmy Harte sont cousins : Peut-\u00eatre \u00e0 10 g\u00e9n\u00e9rations d&rsquo;\u00e9cart<\/h2><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1 wjb-editors-note\"><p><strong>Note de la r\u00e9daction :<\/strong> J\u2019ai insist\u00e9 aupr\u00e8s de Joe pour savoir si l\u2019ADN lui avait r\u00e9ellement permis de r\u00e9soudre des myst\u00e8res ou s\u2019il s\u2019\u00e9tait av\u00e9r\u00e9 inutile. En guise de r\u00e9ponse partielle, il raconte que lorsque Jimmy Harte et lui ont re\u00e7u les r\u00e9sultats de leur analyse du chromosome Y, le laboratoire leur a indiqu\u00e9 qu\u2019ils \u00e9taient apparent\u00e9s \u2014 avec un anc\u00eatre commun remontant peut-\u00eatre \u00e0 10 ou 20 g\u00e9n\u00e9rations, \u00e0 en juger par le nombre de mutations. Joe en savait suffisamment sur la g\u00e9n\u00e9alogie irlandaise pour comprendre qu\u2019aucune trace \u00e9crite ne remonterait jamais aussi loin ; les registres paroissiaux permettent rarement de remonter au-del\u00e0 des arri\u00e8re-arri\u00e8re-grands-parents. Les deux hommes se sont donc content\u00e9s de s\u2019appeler \u00ab cousins \u00bb, m\u00eame si Joe n\u2019a jamais \u00e9t\u00e9 tout \u00e0 fait satisfait de cette \u00ab certitude \u00e0 99 % \u00bb sur 18 g\u00e9n\u00e9rations.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:40px;margin-bottom:40px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-double sep-dotted\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#005b8c;border-color:#005b8c;border-top-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:30;line-height:1.5;\">Transcription<\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2 wjb-transcript\"><p style=\"font-size: .85em; font-style: italic;\">Intervenants : <strong>WJB<\/strong> \u2014 William J. Bowe ; <strong>JH<\/strong> \u2014 Joseph Hart. Transcription \u00e0 partir de l&rsquo;enregistrement ; ponctuation ajout\u00e9e et erreurs d&rsquo;\u00e9coute manifestes corrig\u00e9es. <\/p>\n<p><strong>WJB :<\/strong> Bon, Joe, si je comprends bien, ce que vous me dites, c\u2019est que l\u2019ADN et la g\u00e9n\u00e9alogie \u2014 ce n\u2019est certainement pas par l\u00e0 qu\u2019il faut commencer, et vous avez peu de chances d\u2019avancer dans la compr\u00e9hension de votre arbre g\u00e9n\u00e9alogique si vous ne disposez pas d\u2019autres \u00e9l\u00e9ments. Mais j\u2019ai l\u2019impression que, d\u2019une certaine mani\u00e8re, cela vous a tout de m\u00eame permis de r\u00e9soudre certains myst\u00e8res. Ou peut-\u00eatre pas. Peut-\u00eatre que cela s&rsquo;est av\u00e9r\u00e9 inutile au final. Je m&rsquo;\u00e9gare.    <\/p>\n<p><strong>JH :<\/strong> Vous me posez \u00e0 nouveau cette question, et je vais y r\u00e9pondre dans un instant. Mais je voulais \u2014 et c\u2019est en quelque sorte une r\u00e9ponse partielle \u00e0 cette question \u2014 vous dire que Jimmy et moi avons re\u00e7u les r\u00e9sultats de notre test du chromosome Y, et ceux-ci indiquent que nous sommes apparent\u00e9s. En se basant sur le nombre de mutations pr\u00e9sentes dans nos chromosomes Y, les chercheurs ont pu estimer \u00e0 quelle \u00e9poque remontait notre anc\u00eatre commun.  <\/p>\n<p><strong>WJB :<\/strong> D&rsquo;accord.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JH :<\/strong> J\u2019en savais d\u00e9j\u00e0 suffisamment sur la g\u00e9n\u00e9alogie irlandaise pour comprendre que, lorsqu\u2019ils ont sugg\u00e9r\u00e9 que notre anc\u00eatre commun remontait \u00e0 10 g\u00e9n\u00e9rations, voire \u00e0 10 ou 20 g\u00e9n\u00e9rations en arri\u00e8re, il n\u2019y avait aucune chance que nous puissions un jour constituer une cha\u00eene documentaire remontant aussi loin. En g\u00e9n\u00e9alogie irlandaise, la g\u00e9n\u00e9alogie traditionnelle, en consultant les registres et les documents, vous ne pourrez pas remonter plus loin que le niveau des arri\u00e8re-grands-parents ou des arri\u00e8re-arri\u00e8re-grands-parents. Vous aurez une chance extraordinaire si vous parvenez \u00e0 remonter jusqu\u2019aux arri\u00e8re-arri\u00e8re-arri\u00e8re-grands-parents. Vous pourriez peut-\u00eatre y parvenir en combinant plusieurs sources \u2014 enfin, vous y parviendrez probablement gr\u00e2ce aux registres paroissiaux. Les registres paroissiaux n\u2019ont commenc\u00e9 \u00e0 \u00eatre tenus qu\u2019\u00e0 partir d\u2019une certaine p\u00e9riode, et ils n\u2019ont pas \u00e9t\u00e9 mis en place simultan\u00e9ment dans toute l\u2019Irlande. Bref.     <\/p>\n<p>Jimmy et moi avons donc d\u00e9couvert que nous \u00e9tions apparent\u00e9s depuis plusieurs g\u00e9n\u00e9rations. Nous avons donc d\u00fb nous contenter de cela. Nous \u00e9tions pr\u00eats \u00e0 nous appeler \u00ab cousins \u00bb d\u00e8s lors. Mais ce simple aspect statistique, selon lequel notre anc\u00eatre commun remontait, avec une certitude de 99 %, \u00e0 18 g\u00e9n\u00e9rations \u2014 cela ne me convenait pas vraiment. J\u2019avais l\u2019habitude de chercher \u2014   <\/p>\n<p><strong>WJB :<\/strong> Excusez-moi. Il s&rsquo;av\u00e8re donc qu&rsquo;il ne vous \u00e9tait pas assez proche pour que vous l&rsquo;inscriviez dans votre testament. <\/p>\n<p><strong>JH :<\/strong> Un peu plus loin.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:40px;margin-bottom:40px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-double sep-dotted\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#005b8c;border-color:#005b8c;border-top-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Joe Hart et Jimmy Harte peuvent se consid\u00e9rer comme des cousins apr\u00e8s le test ADN du chromosome Y.  <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":20581,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"video","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_relevanssi_hide_post":"","_relevanssi_hide_content":"","_relevanssi_pin_for_all":"","_relevanssi_pin_keywords":"","_relevanssi_unpin_keywords":"","_relevanssi_related_keywords":"","_relevanssi_related_include_ids":"","_relevanssi_related_exclude_ids":"","_relevanssi_related_no_append":"","_relevanssi_related_not_related":"","_relevanssi_related_posts":"","_relevanssi_noindex_reason":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[1206,1036,710,709,715],"tags":[1075],"class_list":["post-29063","post","type-post","status-publish","format-video","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bill-bowe-sentretient-avec-la-famille","category-c-test-adn","category-hart-fr","category-joseph-christopher-hart-fr","category-videos-de-hart","tag-family-vol-2-fr","post_format-post-format-video"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>33. 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